Your satire may not be far from reality. Since Trump has appointed a bunch of kiss-asses.
The most courageous, and least egotistical, person in this story is Zelenskyy. Kudos to his tenacity and leadership, and being the front line of defense to a ruler who wants a bigger piece of Europe. How can the rest of the European leaders support his country and his courage given the vacuum left by Trump?
And btw, there are US congressional elections in less than 2 years. Things could change in the U.S. rather rapidly after that, D.V.
Stupid people always admire stupid leaders. That's fairly common. But you can never avoid the consequences of stupid decisions. For Ukraine, it's the loss of 20% of their nation, together with a heap of body bags. They should never have listened to you clowns, and your dementia patient Joe biden.
May I ask what would you recommend for Ukraine and I guess it means Pres.Zelensky to do and also what could they done differently at the start of occupation by Putin’s army and navy?! Thanks for your reply and help understanding the situation from your perspective!
What zelensky should have done at the start of the war is ignore biden and his administration, together with the idiots in europe. Clearly they were never going to get into a full scale war with russia, so ukraine was essentially their lab rat for testing weapons. In a perfect world zelensky should have been kicked out the moment he thought of joining nato in the middle of the donbas war.
Ukraine should never have listened to biden and his circus clowns in the first place. That was stupid of them. Biden was clearly a senile old fool, and his administration was clearly a pack of misfits, with dress-wearing, luggage-stealing men. No normal person in their right mind would look at these people and think "oh yeah these are the people I should be listening to". That was a very critical mistake. Now the harm has been done, and clearly Trump is not going to clean up biden's mess. So ukraine must live with the consequences of their decision. Fortunately the nation is not all taken, they should take what they have, and call it a day.
Hello Benjamin, I’m trying to get your point and have a conversation with you about the war and how it started and to have a respectful discussion it doesn’t help us or me if everything and everybody involved on the Biden administration is stupid this and idiots that and how is bringing cross dressing someone into the debate about One million people, young men and old people and babies who were massacred who had nothing to do with the war and never got a chance to experience life got it snuffed out by supposedly “Christian”government who believe that life begins at conception ?!
So, most importantly, you didn’t reply to my point and so I have no idea if you’re in agreement with me or not and what is your opinion on the treaty between US, Russia and Ukraine signed by Presidents of all three nations!? And as i mentioned the US signed it as a guarantor of the treaty as member and the representative of NATO ALLIANCE! As it spelled in the treaty: 1) Ukr will transfer every single nuclear tweapon to Russia who would store and eventually destroy them. In the event of attack on Ukraine America AND RUSSIA were (my accent ) will come to Ukraine defense and all that comes with that obligation plus financial help with rebuilding whatever is needed if treaty did not prevent an attack on Ukraine!
It used to be understood that when one president signed the treaties he was not represented himself but the might and power and wealth of the United States and the next president was obligated to continue the obligations of the treaties basically the promise of the people of the United States ! And the party in power changed but because the President was not representing his party or his personal interest it was understood to be valid documents never to be cancelled or changed because one president did not like the other as if the treaty was signed not by a man but by entire nation of America! And as it required by the treaty President Biden tried to the extent he was able to, kept the American part of the contract. However, because Mr trump does not believe that the constitution and the country are bigger than his persona and his words are bigger than the voice of people of the US does whatever he wants with the treaty and I believe he is not aware of that treaty or honestly I don’t think he can understand what it even means! And I am trying to be objective and to think that maybe he is getting bad advice or thinks that only his promises matter—I have no way of knowing that! But also to be totally honest, promises don’t matter very much in trump Universe or in his mind and he has broken so many promises and he never paid dearly for a broken one and why start worrying now at 80 and the record he has?! So, to end this, if you can be so decent and kind as you seem from the posts I would like for you to explain what should Prez.Zelensky believe now !!
From a European perspective, the reelection of Donald Trump and the policies of his administration have severely damaged the transatlantic alliance. Europe will have to spend the next three years expanding its defense-industrial base to attempt to close the gap of U.S. withdrawl from Europe. This means increasing military production to offset the absence of U.S. support and an a multi-year effort to purchase of American defense articles to fulfill European and Ukrainian needs.”
While I am a fervent supporter of Ukraine, the above should have been happening without Trump or any other American President pressuring Europe and Europe’s refusal to do so has damaged the trans Atlantic alliance.
No, the point of NATO has always been the opposite: STOP the global arms race. The US always had an appetite for massive military budgets. The rest of NATO accepted that (even though it could potentially become a threat to them) if it means, in return, that the overall increase in weapons in "The West" stops.
That's because the more countries have big militaries, the higher the chance that one day, someone with very bad intentions grabs those weapons in a way that no government can control. We need to vitally avoid that from happening, globally. How to avoid it? Through leading by the example: the West itself accepts to stop the arms race. NATO, backed up by the biggest military in the world (the US), would guarantee a joint striking force, thereby de facto installing peace (or considerably more peace than what happened during the first half of the 20th century, knowing that by now, many countries have nuclear weapons).
So no, Europe arming itself to the teeth will NOT make ANYONE safer. That's precisely one of the main reasons why NATO was created.
The biggest problem today is, imho... simply that so many Americans don't study history anymore.
Sorry, but the American Taxpayer, the people that have been financing ‘your solution’ have now said we are not subsidizing ‘your solution’ any more.
Moreover, for the last 20 years, American Presidents of both parties have been requesting that Europe take more responsibility and Europe ignored those requests. While I did not vote for him, Trump is bluntly imposing it.
As for stopping the global arms race, Europe can unilaterally disarm, but rank and file Americans, appear set to continue to shrug their shoulders, even if the American intelligentsia concurs with you.
And the Russians will continue to race no matter what. Therein is the variable that neither the US nor Europe can control, so the idea the arms race has ever truly been controlled is dubious.
The real lesson of WW II for Western Europe has been to integrate, collaborate, and cooperate. Through the EU and other institutions, the above has occurred.
Now it must occur militarily.
Look at it this way: how much time does the average American take for vacation per year? How much time does the average Western European take for vacation?
While the American intelligentsia understands many of the points you have made or would make, the American working class(and a significant number of the American intelligentsia), rightly or wrongly, believe we have two expansive oceans PLUS a massive, but nimble and lethal military to protect them.
They no longer care to subsidize Western Europe whether Western likes it or not. Hence, to my chagrin, they elected a Trump Presidency.
I know it because I live and work amongst them lol!
And none of them, or me, owe you protection from Putin ( and don’t kid yourself, you need it) or a living.
Quit your intellectualized whining and build a society in Western Europe that protects itself.!
Or learn to live under Russian Imperialism. Frankly, we have more in common with the brave soldiers fighting to save Ukrainian sovereignty than spoiled brats as you come off.
Hello, I would like to make a point that everyone seems to forget or act like it really didn’t happen, but the reality of the situation in Ukraine is direct result of American inability to keep the promises made to other countries when it was in America’s interest!! And also I would like to add that when one American president signed a deal, or pact, or treaty if you will, it used to mean that the next incoming president and other after that would obey by the terms of the agreement or treaties! So I am sure you must remember that in 1990s the trilateral agreement (I can’t remember if Belarus was part of it or not but it is not crucial for our discussion) was signed and by this agreement United States of America guaranteed that Ukraine would be independent nation and if under attack US will defend Ukraine with all the forces of NATO alliance! In return for that agreement and that guarantee Ukraine would immediately surrender all(100% not even one!!!)its nuclear arsenal and deliver it to Russia who also as a party to the treaty promised to never attack Ukraine and offer protection if it was under attack by any other country! Americans have not kept their promises and neither did Russia and the only honest and honorable country in the treaty is and was Ukraine. And if America did not lie and minded their own business and did not try to police the entire world under the ruse of “keeping the world safe” we would not have a war in Ukraine right now and we wouldn’t have close to million people dead and they are mostly young men of age when they marry and have children!
So it is America that is responsible for this tragedy that Ukraine will live in for generations and we simply don’t care! Did I miss anything or maybe you have better understanding of the situation since you are living among the people?! I am ready to see your point of view in this betrayal of an ally!
Uh... "I know it because I live and work amongst them"... how exactly is personal experience a serious argument, in a discussion about the history of NATO?
And the fact that you already feel the urge to jump to "ad hominem" arguments shows that you may feel very strongly about all of this, but apparently don't have any solid arguments to back up your personal beliefs...
Thank you for this and thank you for your service to our country. I appreciate your wisdom and integrity, especially on matters of Ukraine. Your satire is beautiful and insightful, and so spot on!
Rubio: Sir, Putin has never negotiated in good faith. Its like he pretends to agree with peace terms but he always has broken any deal- over the last 30 years.
Donald the Great: He will listen to me tho. I can make a deal with him in easy, in one day. We are really close friends, you know, because we are both powerful & handsome.
EUWDTB has point. Too many Americans do not read enough history. As an American I see this unfolding as some want to rewrite our US history. Not to mention being too ignorant about the history of Russia and Ukraine.
I love this guy more every day - donald isn’t fit to clean Zelenskyy ‘s shoes.
To put it charitably.
The same zelensky who came crawling to Trump begging for assistance? Lol you people are delusional.
You can’t really crawl to trump as you would have to be underground to get lower than trump, wouldn’t you agree?! Being objective…,
Yah, you sure wouldn’t see Trump doing that to save thousands of American lives. Trump wouldn’t even give up a Coca Cola for a day. Think about it.
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Your satire may not be far from reality. Since Trump has appointed a bunch of kiss-asses.
The most courageous, and least egotistical, person in this story is Zelenskyy. Kudos to his tenacity and leadership, and being the front line of defense to a ruler who wants a bigger piece of Europe. How can the rest of the European leaders support his country and his courage given the vacuum left by Trump?
And btw, there are US congressional elections in less than 2 years. Things could change in the U.S. rather rapidly after that, D.V.
Stupid people always admire stupid leaders. That's fairly common. But you can never avoid the consequences of stupid decisions. For Ukraine, it's the loss of 20% of their nation, together with a heap of body bags. They should never have listened to you clowns, and your dementia patient Joe biden.
Yup, and Trump sure is stupid.
May I ask what would you recommend for Ukraine and I guess it means Pres.Zelensky to do and also what could they done differently at the start of occupation by Putin’s army and navy?! Thanks for your reply and help understanding the situation from your perspective!
What zelensky should have done at the start of the war is ignore biden and his administration, together with the idiots in europe. Clearly they were never going to get into a full scale war with russia, so ukraine was essentially their lab rat for testing weapons. In a perfect world zelensky should have been kicked out the moment he thought of joining nato in the middle of the donbas war.
Ukraine should never have listened to biden and his circus clowns in the first place. That was stupid of them. Biden was clearly a senile old fool, and his administration was clearly a pack of misfits, with dress-wearing, luggage-stealing men. No normal person in their right mind would look at these people and think "oh yeah these are the people I should be listening to". That was a very critical mistake. Now the harm has been done, and clearly Trump is not going to clean up biden's mess. So ukraine must live with the consequences of their decision. Fortunately the nation is not all taken, they should take what they have, and call it a day.
Hello Benjamin, I’m trying to get your point and have a conversation with you about the war and how it started and to have a respectful discussion it doesn’t help us or me if everything and everybody involved on the Biden administration is stupid this and idiots that and how is bringing cross dressing someone into the debate about One million people, young men and old people and babies who were massacred who had nothing to do with the war and never got a chance to experience life got it snuffed out by supposedly “Christian”government who believe that life begins at conception ?!
So, most importantly, you didn’t reply to my point and so I have no idea if you’re in agreement with me or not and what is your opinion on the treaty between US, Russia and Ukraine signed by Presidents of all three nations!? And as i mentioned the US signed it as a guarantor of the treaty as member and the representative of NATO ALLIANCE! As it spelled in the treaty: 1) Ukr will transfer every single nuclear tweapon to Russia who would store and eventually destroy them. In the event of attack on Ukraine America AND RUSSIA were (my accent ) will come to Ukraine defense and all that comes with that obligation plus financial help with rebuilding whatever is needed if treaty did not prevent an attack on Ukraine!
It used to be understood that when one president signed the treaties he was not represented himself but the might and power and wealth of the United States and the next president was obligated to continue the obligations of the treaties basically the promise of the people of the United States ! And the party in power changed but because the President was not representing his party or his personal interest it was understood to be valid documents never to be cancelled or changed because one president did not like the other as if the treaty was signed not by a man but by entire nation of America! And as it required by the treaty President Biden tried to the extent he was able to, kept the American part of the contract. However, because Mr trump does not believe that the constitution and the country are bigger than his persona and his words are bigger than the voice of people of the US does whatever he wants with the treaty and I believe he is not aware of that treaty or honestly I don’t think he can understand what it even means! And I am trying to be objective and to think that maybe he is getting bad advice or thinks that only his promises matter—I have no way of knowing that! But also to be totally honest, promises don’t matter very much in trump Universe or in his mind and he has broken so many promises and he never paid dearly for a broken one and why start worrying now at 80 and the record he has?! So, to end this, if you can be so decent and kind as you seem from the posts I would like for you to explain what should Prez.Zelensky believe now !!
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Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
A real man a real leader. Speaks 3 languages fluently Donnie 2 dolls doesn’t even speak 1.
From a European perspective, the reelection of Donald Trump and the policies of his administration have severely damaged the transatlantic alliance. Europe will have to spend the next three years expanding its defense-industrial base to attempt to close the gap of U.S. withdrawl from Europe. This means increasing military production to offset the absence of U.S. support and an a multi-year effort to purchase of American defense articles to fulfill European and Ukrainian needs.”
While I am a fervent supporter of Ukraine, the above should have been happening without Trump or any other American President pressuring Europe and Europe’s refusal to do so has damaged the trans Atlantic alliance.
No, the point of NATO has always been the opposite: STOP the global arms race. The US always had an appetite for massive military budgets. The rest of NATO accepted that (even though it could potentially become a threat to them) if it means, in return, that the overall increase in weapons in "The West" stops.
That's because the more countries have big militaries, the higher the chance that one day, someone with very bad intentions grabs those weapons in a way that no government can control. We need to vitally avoid that from happening, globally. How to avoid it? Through leading by the example: the West itself accepts to stop the arms race. NATO, backed up by the biggest military in the world (the US), would guarantee a joint striking force, thereby de facto installing peace (or considerably more peace than what happened during the first half of the 20th century, knowing that by now, many countries have nuclear weapons).
So no, Europe arming itself to the teeth will NOT make ANYONE safer. That's precisely one of the main reasons why NATO was created.
The biggest problem today is, imho... simply that so many Americans don't study history anymore.
Sorry, but the American Taxpayer, the people that have been financing ‘your solution’ have now said we are not subsidizing ‘your solution’ any more.
Moreover, for the last 20 years, American Presidents of both parties have been requesting that Europe take more responsibility and Europe ignored those requests. While I did not vote for him, Trump is bluntly imposing it.
As for stopping the global arms race, Europe can unilaterally disarm, but rank and file Americans, appear set to continue to shrug their shoulders, even if the American intelligentsia concurs with you.
And the Russians will continue to race no matter what. Therein is the variable that neither the US nor Europe can control, so the idea the arms race has ever truly been controlled is dubious.
The real lesson of WW II for Western Europe has been to integrate, collaborate, and cooperate. Through the EU and other institutions, the above has occurred.
Now it must occur militarily.
Look at it this way: how much time does the average American take for vacation per year? How much time does the average Western European take for vacation?
While the American intelligentsia understands many of the points you have made or would make, the American working class(and a significant number of the American intelligentsia), rightly or wrongly, believe we have two expansive oceans PLUS a massive, but nimble and lethal military to protect them.
They no longer care to subsidize Western Europe whether Western likes it or not. Hence, to my chagrin, they elected a Trump Presidency.
How do you know that they "said that"? The neofascist GOP won based on horrible lies only.
Also, how exactly does making your own military-industrial complex wealthy somehow "subsidize" something abroad? Any idea, concretely?
And again, your selfish concept of a US that could isolate itself globally blatantly ignores two centuries of world history...
What an arrogant response.
I know it because I live and work amongst them lol!
And none of them, or me, owe you protection from Putin ( and don’t kid yourself, you need it) or a living.
Quit your intellectualized whining and build a society in Western Europe that protects itself.!
Or learn to live under Russian Imperialism. Frankly, we have more in common with the brave soldiers fighting to save Ukrainian sovereignty than spoiled brats as you come off.
Hello, I would like to make a point that everyone seems to forget or act like it really didn’t happen, but the reality of the situation in Ukraine is direct result of American inability to keep the promises made to other countries when it was in America’s interest!! And also I would like to add that when one American president signed a deal, or pact, or treaty if you will, it used to mean that the next incoming president and other after that would obey by the terms of the agreement or treaties! So I am sure you must remember that in 1990s the trilateral agreement (I can’t remember if Belarus was part of it or not but it is not crucial for our discussion) was signed and by this agreement United States of America guaranteed that Ukraine would be independent nation and if under attack US will defend Ukraine with all the forces of NATO alliance! In return for that agreement and that guarantee Ukraine would immediately surrender all(100% not even one!!!)its nuclear arsenal and deliver it to Russia who also as a party to the treaty promised to never attack Ukraine and offer protection if it was under attack by any other country! Americans have not kept their promises and neither did Russia and the only honest and honorable country in the treaty is and was Ukraine. And if America did not lie and minded their own business and did not try to police the entire world under the ruse of “keeping the world safe” we would not have a war in Ukraine right now and we wouldn’t have close to million people dead and they are mostly young men of age when they marry and have children!
So it is America that is responsible for this tragedy that Ukraine will live in for generations and we simply don’t care! Did I miss anything or maybe you have better understanding of the situation since you are living among the people?! I am ready to see your point of view in this betrayal of an ally!
Thank you for reading this.
Uh... "I know it because I live and work amongst them"... how exactly is personal experience a serious argument, in a discussion about the history of NATO?
And the fact that you already feel the urge to jump to "ad hominem" arguments shows that you may feel very strongly about all of this, but apparently don't have any solid arguments to back up your personal beliefs...
Personal experience is relevant to the election of Trump. Trump is relevant to the future of NATO.
And your response projects your lack of solid argument. And Ad Hominem attacks.
The issue is the FUTURE of NATO, not the history.
Keep your arrogant attitude and see how far Western Europe gets.
You cannot handle the fact you may have to be responsible for yourself.
Thank you for this and thank you for your service to our country. I appreciate your wisdom and integrity, especially on matters of Ukraine. Your satire is beautiful and insightful, and so spot on!
Rubio: Sir, Putin has never negotiated in good faith. Its like he pretends to agree with peace terms but he always has broken any deal- over the last 30 years.
Donald the Great: He will listen to me tho. I can make a deal with him in easy, in one day. We are really close friends, you know, because we are both powerful & handsome.
Zelensky cant trust he’d be save especially in Turkey.
I mean safe
Thank you for speaking truth to power again and again.
EUWDTB has point. Too many Americans do not read enough history. As an American I see this unfolding as some want to rewrite our US history. Not to mention being too ignorant about the history of Russia and Ukraine.
I continue to be impressed with the excellence of Zelensky's leadership. He is a truly great leader, and his legacy is already written in stone.
Ukraine🇺🇦
There can be no good faith when it’s known there is an unfair,
hidden agenda.
Trump longs for a Nobel Prize (Obama got one: why not him? 🤪)
Trump longs to join autocrats he admires so much.
Putin would not have come anyway he has an. International arrest warrant against him from The Hague.
Pukey Putin Prevaricates.